{"id":8556,"date":"2010-02-18T15:59:14","date_gmt":"2010-02-18T14:59:14","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.scifinow.co.uk\/?p=8556"},"modified":"2010-12-08T15:02:35","modified_gmt":"2010-12-08T14:02:35","slug":"interview-dan-abnett","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.scifinow.co.uk\/interviews\/interview-dan-abnett\/","title":{"rendered":"Interview: Dan Abnett"},"content":{"rendered":"

\"dan3\"<\/a><\/p>\n

You\u2019ve recently released Triumff, your first original novel.<\/strong><\/p>\n

Yes. After, I think, 35 or 36 novels published, I thought it was about time to write my own.<\/p>\n

Have you been happy with how it\u2019s performed?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Yes, very happy, very pleased with the way it\u2019s been received and all that. It\u2019s been great fun to write something that is off on a tangent that you wouldn\u2019t normally get to do. I have absolutely no complaints about working in the universes of [Warhammer] 40k, or of Marvel or anything else that I do. One of the reasons I do them is because I love doing it, and there\u2019s never any sense of creative restraint, writing other things. But this is one of the ideas that I\u2019ve had kicking around for ages and of course it\u2019s one of those things where you wonder what it would be like to do something where I\u2019m not relying on handholds or training wheels.<\/p>\n

So how did the writing process differ for you, as you\u2019ve spent a great deal of time in the universes of licensed properties with established canon? Was it nice to have the creative freedom to go mad, as it were?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Yeah, I think it was. Weirdly enough, going mad was one of the things that I realised I sort of, couldn\u2019t do. Triumff has been around in my head as a concept for a long time, I think a lot of writers when they start out, they have projects they\u2019d like to develop, and Triumff – bits of it anyway, are getting on for 20 years in terms of an idea. Way back when I was first getting into comics I was thinking \u2018Can I make this into a comic? Is there a book lurking there?\u2019 All sorts of things like that. So when I finally got to write a novel of my own for publication, one that somebody was actually going to buy and publish, it seemed that by dint of seniority it deserved the chance. The idea had matured \u2013 I want to say \u2018festered\u2019, but that\u2019s not right, is it? It had matured <\/em>over time, it was a real pleasure because I\u2019d thought about it and come back to it on and off. But also, I had this great experience of writing within, as I said, the 40k universe or Marvel, or… I don\u2019t know, Bananas In Pyjamas or Postman Pat or anything else that I\u2019d done, I understood that successful universes operate on very rigid rules. They have to obey them, or people get very upset by them, I mean Star Trek is a great example, and so is Doctor Who, and any of that stuff. If it\u2019s in its own universe, the first thing that\u2019ll happen to make the fans complain is if something contradicts what they understand that universe to be. So in many respects, and I didn\u2019t do this in a deliberately conscious way, it\u2019s very much a franchise that I happen to own. I set my own rules and the experience of working on licences for other people gave me a good insight into how to make it work, on what the important things are that you have to bear in mind. So the dangers of going completely bananas and saying \u2018Haha! I\u2019m the only one who can stop me doing this!\u2019 \u2013 there was a real level of self-control going on, because there\u2019s usually a reason that people stop me doing these sorts of things, because people don\u2019t like to read it.<\/p>\n

So how did you get involved with [HarperCollins imprint] Angry Robot? Obviously, you\u2019re associated with Black Library, so it wouldn\u2019t be entirely out of the question to assume you\u2019d have gone through Solaris for Triumff?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Angry Robot came to me. I know the person who is essentially running it, he had a high regard for my ability to write a story. I think that\u2019s one of the things, and again, there are many of us who write for, or largely write stuff that is tie-in fiction, there\u2019s a terrible rap sometimes that they\u2019re not proper books or comics. And thankfully, Angry Robot said \u2018No, he writes damn good stories, it doesn\u2019t matter what it is.\u2019 So there was that lovely opportunity there, and it\u2019s great fun because it means that I can write something like Triumff, and then I can go and blow the universe up in 40k, and then I can come back and do something like Triumff, and then I can go and blow another universe up. It works rather well.<\/p>\n

Can we talk a little about your upcoming novel, Embedded?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Embedded, yes.<\/p>\n

The premise sounds really interesting, could you expand on your inspirations behind it?<\/strong><\/p>\n

It was one of those things that just sort of came along. Obviously through 40k, I am associated with what\u2019s commonly known as, or officially known as Combat Science-Fiction. Military SF. Which I\u2019d probably been writing for four or five years before I realised that it was a subgenre \u2013 I had no idea. In fact at 40k, in Black Library and stuff we always referred to it not as Combat SF, we referred to it as \u2018shooty-death-kill-in-space\u2019, which is a much better name for it. Anyway, if I\u2019ve got a reputation based on anything at all, it\u2019s probably that, because the bulk of my novels are those. The Gaunt\u2019s Ghosts stuff particularly falls into that category. So one thing that Angry Robot said was \u2018If you\u2019re so damned good at that, can you put out something that plays on those strengths but has that universe stamp of being your own product\u2019. So what I didn\u2019t want to do was take the tried and tested Gaunt\u2019s Ghosts formula, change his name to Gant, and they can be Gant\u2019s Phantoms. You know, just transferring them across and crossing out 40k.<\/p>\n

Just removing the vowels?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Yeah, exactly. Really, really not what I\u2019m interested in doing. So although Embedded is very much a hard Combat SF novel, I wanted to create both a universe and a situation, which was something that I could never do in 40k, or in any of the other places that I\u2019ve written before. And \u2018embedded\u2019 is a very… one of those modern words like \u2018redacted\u2019, a very War On Terror word. But in this case, it\u2019s a very literal thing. The setting is a human colony world where there is essentially a war of independence going on, and a reporter \u2013 I\u2019m putting it in very simple modern terms \u2013 a reporter is going in to cover the war, and he is embedded. Literally implanted into one of the Government forces going in to this situation, so we get an eye on the battlefield. So essentially, his mind and his point of view is riding piggyback in the mind of the guy on the battlefield. And the guy is shot, so because of the damage to the soldier, the reporter can\u2019t pull his mind back out of the body. He\u2019s essentially trapped, and has to take over the operation of the soldier\u2019s body to get it out of the warzone.<\/p>\n

It\u2019s quite an intriguing set up, particularly at this time when there\u2019s a lot of controversy about journalists being embedded in military units. There was the unfortunate incident with poor [Mirror journalist] Rupert Hamer recently, of course. Did that have an impact at all on what you were writing?<\/strong><\/p>\n

It did. It did very much, and it\u2019s one of those weird things. I always think it\u2019s a sign of good creativity when coincidences occur around what you\u2019re doing. I don\u2019t know if I\u2019m rare in this, but I am absolutely plagued by coincidence. I don\u2019t get freaked by it though, I think it\u2019s a good sign, that I\u2019m tapping into the zeitgeist. So I think it\u2019s a good sign of science-fiction, even if in this case it\u2019s science-fiction for the purposes of entertainment rather than anything else, I\u2019m not pretending that this is some profound treatise of whatever because it\u2019s not. It\u2019s an entertainment thing that has perhaps some reflection on the way the world works, but it\u2019s back to good science-fiction, which does speculate on that. If you see commonality with the world around you, maybe you\u2019re doing something right, even if you\u2019re rejecting it to some kind of imagined conclusion about what it will be like. I suppose the downside is that the worst thing that can happen to science-fiction is that the world overtakes it by the time that it gets on to paper. When the idea first came to me there was a sensation that there\u2019s this line between genuine experience of combat, and someone who is caught up in combat, and then another line where you have to ask how having someone there transforms combat, do people do things differently because there is a sense that things will be remembered where they otherwise wouldn\u2019t have been? Do they clean up their act, or do they act more recklessly. So yes, I was very aware of it, and if I read a report in the newspaper tomorrow saying a reporter has been shrunk down to microscopic sizes and put into the head of a Royal Marine, I think I might just say \u2018Right, my second book\u2019s going to be something completely different\u2019.<\/p>\n

Do you know when it\u2019s going to be released?<\/strong><\/p>\n

It\u2019s going to be \u2013 Angry Robot can confirm \u2013 it\u2019s going to be August, the end of the summer.<\/p>\n

Next:<\/strong> Gaunt’s Ghosts, health scares and the real story behind the origin of the Horus Heresy plotline…<\/em><\/p>\n

<\/p>\n

\"n24365\"<\/a>Coming back to 40k for a moment, you have a new Gaunt\u2019s Ghosts novel out next year?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Yes. My schedule actually got slightly upset. As I said earlier on, I\u2019m 36 novels in with this ridiculous writing lark, and with comics as well, 2000AD and all this, I\u2019m stupidly prolific. At the beginning of last September I actually alarmed myself and everyone around me by starting to have seizures, which wasn\u2019t a particularly pleasant thing to happen. They kept giving me tests and MRIs \u2013 I broke an MRI machine, an unusual thing to put on your CV. And after a few months they established that I had developed, for reasons that nobody could explain, epilepsy, which is now under control and I\u2019m managing. In fact it was a huge relief, because there are many other things that seizures point to that could have been a great deal more severe or alarming. But I had two or three months of quiet concern. Anyway, that did spoil my schedule somewhat because it not only disrupted work, but the thought of it disrupted work, so I\u2019m now trying to catch up and make everything fit into place. The one that was most seriously affected was for Black Library, which was my next Horus Heresy novel called Prospero Burns and is the latest in that series. That should have been out now, and actually will be out \u2013 it sounds like ages \u2013 but actually will be out next year. I think it was delayed simply so that they could make the best of it and get the best trail in time. The readers have been really supportive though, not a single one of them has sent me a message going \u2018For goodness sake, where\u2019s my book?\u2019 Which has been very nice of them. And then after that it will be the Gaunt series. I think that will be book 13. For people who haven\u2019t read it, it is the story of an officer, Ibram Gaunt, who has a regiment called that Tanith First, who are nicknamed the Ghosts because they\u2019re very good at stealth and reconnaissance work. They\u2019re the Tanith First-And-Only because they\u2019re the last to get off their world, the last of their kind. And because the 40k universe is so big and scary, you know, \u2018There is only war\u2019 and all this kind of stuff, they\u2019re very much overlooked and very much abused by their commanding officers and sent in as cannon fodder. But they\u2019re slowly making a name for themselves. I break the series down into story arcs, so the first three were number one and they collect them in omnibuses. The most recent book, which came out last year, was Blood Pact, the fourth arc. What I get the impression of what brings people back to the series is that they\u2019re attached to the people now, it\u2019s about the characters, if it was just about reading action sequences they\u2019d be sick of it now. But they\u2019re really attached to these people and how they\u2019re going to survive and what they\u2019re going to do next, and that\u2019s very gratifying. I had people come up just this weekend when I was at the Black Library headquarters in Nottingham for one of their events, and they were fantastic, just the interest in particular people… it\u2019s not so much asking when the next book is as whether this character is going to play a prominent role, or is this character really dead.<\/p>\n

How long do you envisage the series running for? Is it until the stories run their course, or is it indefinite?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Yeah, I think so. I have joked in the past that it will run as long as there are characters and I haven\u2019t killed them all off. Definitely, the next arc \u2013 I\u2019m just about to produce the second of four books \u2013 that\u2019s definitely not the last arc. There\u2019s more story after that, so we\u2019re definitely looking at a series that will run. But my main criteria is that I keep writing these books and all the while I\u2019m excited about what happens next, whether it\u2019s a different theatre of operations or a different take. For instance, Blood Pact, I don\u2019t really know where the idea came from but it\u2019s not a war book at all. It\u2019s a book set when they\u2019ve been retired from the front line, they\u2019re on what should be a perfectly safe Imperial world, they\u2019re all getting bored and there\u2019s no action going on. And into the middle of that I drop an individual threat that turns the book into a thriller rather than a battlefield story and the readers go \u2018Wow, I wasn\u2019t expecting that\u2019. And while I can still come up with a dynamic story but where it\u2019s not like the previous books, I\u2019ll keep on doing that.<\/p>\n

Are you going to be planning any more Inquisitor books in the vein of Eisenhorn or Ravenor?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Well, yes, absolutely is the answer to that. If only I could write them faster. The Eisenhorn books, there were three of them and they were always intended to be a little trilogy, and they proved to be remarkably popular. But because I\u2019d only ever planned a trilogy I\u2019d sort of vowed that I\u2019d leave the character where it was. That\u2019s why I had Ravenor, who\u2019s essentially his pupil and successor, that was going to run on but it worked so well as a trilogy that I stopped after three books with that as well. My plan now is to write a third and final trilogy, so it becomes a trilogy of trilogies.<\/p>\n

With new characters?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Well in the same way that the Ravenor books took a character out of the Eisenhorn books and ran with them, that\u2019s sort of what I\u2019m going to do. There\u2019s a character called Bequin, who appeared in the Eisenhorn books and indirectly the Ravenor books, and this will be a trilogy about her. But this final trilogy will effectively be Eisenhorn versus Ravenor, master and pupil brought together through the agency of their various friends and associates into one final confrontation. I\u2019m really looking forward to that, but of course with the slight delay to my schedule, I\u2019ll get to it as soon as I can.<\/p>\n

Now the Horus Heresy books have, of course, enjoyed widespread popularity. Have you enjoyed fleshing out such a pivotal part of the Warhammer 40k story?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Yeah, absolutely. If nothing else it\u2019s been enormously flattering. Warhammer\u2019s been going for about 25 years now I think, I\u2019ve lost track of when they started, but it\u2019s a fundamental part of so many gamers\u2019 lives. It\u2019s had a huge impact, and the Horus Heresy was one of those things that was in the background fluff from day one, with a little bit of throwaway colour just to get people into this game. One of the things that it did extraordinarily well was build up this idea that while it might be science-fiction rather than fantasy, there is a real sense of gothic, mythical vastness to both the scale of the thing and the timescale. The Horus Heresy was something that happened 10,000 years before the 40k adventure, and was this, almost, battle of the demigods that set up the universe that you now adventure in. So a few years ago, one of the writers invited me to write these novels and said \u2018Dan, we\u2019d like you to write the first one\u2019.<\/p>\n

No pressure, then.<\/strong><\/p>\n

No pressure at all! It was a very exciting experience and a very fun experience. There\u2019s a guy called Alan Merritt, who is sort of in charge of the lore there at Games Workshop, and we have regular brainstorming writers\u2019 summits. And he comes in with armfuls of books, ancient copies of stuff that\u2019s no longer in print and explains to us all of the stuff that\u2019s been written about a particular subject in the past and indeed, how they\u2019ve contradicted each other over the years in copies of White Dwarf and everything. From that we devise our schemes and it\u2019s not just a matter of \u2013 well, it is world building for a start because this isn\u2019t really a world that\u2019s been imagined in any complete way, and everybody\u2019s got their own idea of it. And it\u2019s not just a matter of regurgitating the same story because \u2013 it\u2019s like Titanic, everyone knows what happens at the end. So we set out to find a way of telling these stories and at the same time revealing all sorts of things that people know, filling in the gaps. And it\u2019s been gigantic fun, because either we\u2019ve been able to reveal things that have been hidden there all along, or we\u2019ve said \u2018We\u2019ve had this great idea, can we say that Horus was really<\/em> doing this?\u2019 And generally speaking they\u2019ve said oh yes, let\u2019s do that. And you find things out, I have to say you find things out. We discovered that the Horus Heresy \u2013 and this is probably heresy to tell you this \u2013 but the Horus Heresy originally started right in the very first version of the game. They\u2019d made these lovely plastic models in the game and [Games Workshop] were a young, little company and they were doing so well, and they couldn\u2019t afford to sculpt moulds to make ones for them to fight. The only thing they could do was to use the same moulds, but mould things out of a different colour plastic. I think it was red and blue, the same models of Space Marines and everything, but some were red and some were blue, and they had to come up with a reason for why they\u2019d be fighting themselves, so somebody went \u2018Oh, it\u2019s a civil war!\u2019 And somebody else went \u2018Let\u2019s call it the…oh I don\u2019t know…Horus Heresy!\u2019 So that obviously won\u2019t be in the books.<\/p>\n

Next<\/strong>: Ultramarines, provoking Judge Dredd fans, and working with Doctor Who…<\/em><\/p>\n

<\/p>\n

\"warhammer-40k-ultramarines-film\"<\/a>You\u2019ve also been involved with Ultramarines, the new film being made.<\/strong><\/p>\n

I have, yes.<\/p>\n

And you wrote the script?<\/strong><\/p>\n

I did.<\/p>\n

Can you talk a little about the film?<\/strong><\/p>\n

In a very limited sense, I\u2019m actually being told not to say too much because they\u2019re releasing information about it as it builds up. I\u2019ve written the script, I was picked to write it because of my association with 40k and the fact that I seem to know my way around it, and I have enormous faith in what they\u2019re doing. I think Games Workshop held off for a long time because the danger was that they\u2019d find someone who was enthusiastic about making a film, but not respect the source material enough, which would be pointless because it would instantly alienate the gamers and the readership. And I think what they\u2019re doing with this \u2013 which is going to be very exciting from the bits I\u2019ve seen so far \u2013 is as true as anybody could hope to what 40k would be in movie form.<\/p>\n

Do you know if it\u2019s going to be a direct-to-DVD release?<\/strong><\/p>\n

I don\u2019t yet know, I don\u2019t know the answer to those questions. People who are particularly interested can follow the release of information on the Ultramarines site<\/a>, because as information becomes official they put a press release up. I think there\u2019s a particularly juicy press release about to come along. I probably shouldn\u2019t say any more than that.<\/p>\n

Without meaning to provoke the snipers on the roof, can you give us a vague idea of what sort of races are going to be involved?<\/strong><\/p>\n

I can\u2019t even do that. That\u2019s why God made NDAs [Non-Disclosure Agreements]. One thing that I think they have done very well, and I will say this much, is that they\u2019ve allowed me to stay informed about what they\u2019re doing, and when they are releasing a piece of a information they\u2019ll ask me for my opinion and I\u2019ll write something on what I think of the cast or whatever, and that will become a short blog post on their website. So rather than me being completely out of the loop I\u2019m allowed to come along from the point of view of the fans and say \u2018I\u2019ve just seen this and I think it\u2019s pretty good, this is my experience of it.\u2019<\/p>\n

So did you enjoy writing for film? Is it something you\u2019d like to do more of in the future?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Yes, very much. And it\u2019s a great opportunity, to do something like this, and afterwards you can say \u2018Hey, I\u2019ve written a movie\u2019. Like all these things, it\u2019s a great learning curve, there was so much about it that was in common with writing comics, for obvious reasons, and yet there were so many things that were not like writing comics. It was almost disconcerting. One thing I liked about it that I didn\u2019t think I would was the fine-tuning element. Nobody likes to have their work picked away at and fired away at and chipped away at, but in fact, with a movie that\u2019s absolutely essential because it\u2019s such a group activity, and that was fascinating. The initial horror was that somebody needed to change things, and then you understood why and got involved in that organic process. Watching my screenplay be revised so much was an interesting thing to watch from beginning to end.<\/p>\n

So did you have the director say \u2018Well, we can\u2019t do this because of that\u2019 and similar types of redrafting?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Yes, there were obviously restrictions where they said that we simply couldn\u2019t do that, or technical restrictions in what was possible with the animation that they\u2019re doing. They\u2019re walking a very thin line between making it accessible to the widest possible audience and you don\u2019t need to know 40k to watch it, and balancing that with keeping it so fans don\u2019t go \u2018Well, that\u2019s just ridiculous, why did you have to spoon feed us that?\u2019<\/p>\n

In terms of comics, can you give us an idea of what you have coming up? There\u2019s Insurrection for the [2000AD] Megazine, of course…<\/strong><\/p>\n

I\u2019m still regularly contributing to Sinister Dexter and Kingdom at the moment in 2000AD, both strips I\u2019m very involved with and enjoy. Insurrection\u2019s a great thing, working on a story in the [Judge] Dredd universe from the other side of the coin, because these people really are anti-Judge. Colin [MacNeil] is just one of the best artists in the business, he\u2019s amazing and a great storyteller. So it\u2019s not like you send a script off to him and it comes back with nice art, there\u2019s a sort of combined process where some of the storytelling is decided by the way that Colin can visualise things, which is rare. Sometimes comics are more collaborative than others, and there\u2019s nothing wrong with it when it\u2019s a question of there being a script and the artist has drawn it. But when you can work with somebody panel by panel to get a story going with great ideas \u2013 when we first started, Colin sent me pages and pages saying \u2018I\u2019ve drawn some robots, I\u2019ve drawn some giant apes!\u2019 And I was saying \u2018Great, well we\u2019ll have to put him in,\u2019 characters were there drawn before written and the story sort of evolved around them. It was a great way of doing it.<\/p>\n

Have you been pleased with its reception so far?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Yes, it\u2019s done very well, and I think it\u2019s put the wind up people as well. I think because it\u2019s sort of anti-Dredd, I\u2019m not personally anti-Dredd, but it\u2019s anti-Dredd universe. Dredd is a wonderful satirical entity, the idea of this Megacity and ruling everyone\u2019s lives, you buy into that when you read the story and you relish it. And then we come along and say \u2018Actually, we\u2019re going to do it from the other side now\u2019. It\u2019s quite fun.<\/p>\n

You\u2019ve also written two books inside the Doctor Who universe recently, one for Torchwood and Doctor Who, and you were on the comic series for a long time of course. Do you have any plans to explore that setting further in the future?<\/strong><\/p>\n

I\u2019d love to. That\u2019s the sort of thing where you get asked to do it, which is very nice. Most of my Doctor Who stuff recently has been for BBC Audio, writing original audio. I did one with David Tennant reading just before… I think it came out in the first week of January. And before that it was one that Catherine Tate read, and a Torchwood one as well. It\u2019s great because again, it\u2019s yet another way of exploring how you can write a story. It\u2019s not a simple case of writing a short story; there are all sorts of things that you have to bear in mind because it\u2019s going to be read out. There are other parameters. And it\u2019s lovely to write Doctor Who, which I\u2019ve been a fan of since forever. But it\u2019s great fun to be pushed into a slightly different discipline \u2013 how can I do this? How can I write this for someone who\u2019s going to read it out loud and for someone who\u2019s going to want to listen to it?<\/p>\n

It must have been a bit of a culture shock, given that you have an extensive background in comics and suddenly, you lose that visual medium?<\/strong><\/p>\n

It is. There are literal limitations \u2013 the last thing you want to do is have the assistant say \u2018Doctor, look at the huge green three-eyed thing coming towards me\u2019. As I was saying earlier, you don\u2019t want that exposition moment on what is effectively a radio play, so you have to find ways of delivering the information in hopefully subtle manners and finding ways to subvert it so you can supply someone with the visual quality without those really crass moments of over-description from someone who should really just be screaming and running away. And I found that very interesting, because as you say, going from comics to that couldn\u2019t have been more of a change in pace.<\/p>\n

Dan Abnett’s personal website can be found at http:\/\/www.danabnett.com<\/a><\/p>\n

Ultramarines: A Warhammer 40,000 Movie Special Edition Collector’s Set is available now for pre-order exclusively from http:\/\/www.ultramarinesthemovie.com<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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